O.K., Asad, consider yourself fisked. And with that, I make the appeal again: All you Muslim terrorist sympathisers and terrorists writing to this lowly blog, if you can only shame Islam with your comments on all the murderous intrigue of interreligious politics between Jews, Catholics and Muslims, how about you getting BETTER Imams to show their abilities at defending sura 37:100-113 expressed today with child-sacrifice suicide-bombing. I’m waiting… Can’t do it, can you?

[ Here's a comment from Asad[chop!], shortened with [...] for that which is more spam oriented than an answer. Asad[chop!] writes: ]

For those who don’t know, here is an English translation of 37:102, by Muhammad Asad,“. . . the latter said: O my dear son! I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice thee: consider, then, what would be thy view! [Ishmael] answered: O my father! Do as thou art bidden: thou wilt find me, if God so wills, among those who are patient in adversity!” [Now, Asad, why don't you provide the other verses? Context is important, don't you think? You do a quick summary below, but I want to see what you do with something that provides those verses word for word. I provide a translation elsewhere in the blog, but that might not be your favourite for use with an English speaking audience.]

Here, Allah is testing the faith of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) by commanding him to sacrifice his son. His son, Ishmael (peace be upon him) is obedient and agrees to be sacrificed. But when Prophet Abraham (pbuh[peace be upon him?]) shows that he has faith and sets out to sacrifice his son, Allah mercifully substitutes a ram in place of Ishmael (pbuh[peace be upon him?]). There is no, nor has there ever been, a requirement of child sacrifice in Islam. [I guess you just haven't thought this one out, have you, Asad? Let's see: "commanding him to sacrifice his son" sounds like a requirement, don't you think? Your denial constitutes blasphemy for Muslims. But maybe you are just posing as a Muslim as a bad joke. Just because a ram is substituted doesn't mean that there was no command. Asad, don't think that I am attacking you. You have been very kind to drop your comments on this blog. I am grateful. I am just trying to get people to give an honest appraisal of the murderous intrigue of interreligious politics between Jews, Catholics and Muslims. But I digress. Let's continue...]

The same story occurs in The Old Testament, in Genesis 22: “2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.”” [Again, there's more to the account in Genesis than that, including Abraham having to believe that God would instantaneously raise Isaac from the dead so that the promised progeny could come from him, for it was impossible that this progeny could come from Ishmael.]

Isaac is substituted for Ishmael, (peace be upon them). [Um, Asad. No. Isaac is not substituted for Ishmael. Ishamael has absolutely nothing to do with the account in Genesis, other that to say that such a sacrifice can in no way ever involve Ishmael. I mean, let's not forget that Muhammad wrote his version of that account after the Old Testament was written, and long after the New Testament was written. ] Some argue that Isaac was an adult at the time, though I don’t see evidence in the text for that. [You are right.] But regardless, if you’re arguing that Islam sanctions child-sacrifice, Judaism and Christianity must too since Jews and Christians hold Genesis as sacred text. [...] [So, there you go, admitting to the sanctioning of child-sacrifice in the Qur'an. Thanks for that! My point exactly, except for the added bit about Jews and Christians. It is true that in Genesis, God commands child-sacrifice in view of an instantaneous resurrection from the dead of Isaac. However, God is not interested in child-sacrifice just for the sake of child-sacrifice, as if some horrific bribe of blood gushing submission intended to obtain the favour of God is what God wants (which is the case in the Qur'an). Instead, God is interested in the Redemption of mankind from sin, which is to be wrought in both mercy and justice, not merely a make-pretend, false mercy of declaration which is found in the Qur'an. Sin brought death, and to redeem that sin so that there is no more death, but life eternal in heaven, someone innocent must take our place, taking what we deserve (the worst we can give out: death), so that, in full justice, we will then receive mercy, this redemption, this forgiveness of sin. But Isaac is not innocent, but bears the effects of original sin. It will have to be a future son of Abraham who will have to be sacrificed, that is, the Son of David, the Messiah, the Suffering Servant, the One who takes upon Himself the sins of the world, the One who is innocent and divine, Christ Jesus, the Lamb of Sacrifice to which the ram sacrificed by Abraham was a type. After the sacrifice, Abraham calls the place (where Jesus would later be sacrificed) "God will provide". Jews and Catholics are not against child-sacrifice, but we are discriminating about the Child, who is Jesus, who lays down His own life to take it up again. Islam, instead, uses sura 37:100-113 as a way to encourage any child-sacrifice, especially that which murders the innocent, that is, by way of, for instance, suicide bombing. This passage is what is enacted in the prayer of Muslims as they bow their necks to the ground, just waiting, if Allah wishes this time, to have their heads cut off for no other reason, however, that to placate some blood-thirsty Allah. There couldn't possibly be a greater difference between the Muhammad's perverted interpretation of Genesis and Christianity in the Qur'an and what is actually in Genesis and what is fulfilled in Christianity.]

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