O.K. all you Muslim terrorist sympathisers and terrorists writing to this lowly blog, if you can only shame Islam with your comments on all the murderous intrigue of interreligious politics between Jews, Catholics and Muslims, how about you get your Imams to show their abilities at defending sura 37:100-113 expressed today with child-sacrifice suicide bombing. I’m waiting… Can’t do it, can you? [Threats received... Advice, please...]
Go to the full posts-page to see what in the world this is all about!
UPDATE after messages received… For the sake of fairness to our readership and to yourselves, go ahead and try your own translation. I would not want it said that I misquoted you. What you write, I’ll publish, as long as it’s fit to print. We all completely understand if you make mistakes. I make mistakes with languages all the time. Cheers!
UPDATE on the update: O.K., Mehmet… I received your messages. You want to raise the stakes with excellent citations. Good! I applaud you. But, as I say, this blog is for an anglophone audience and all those who can communicate, in whatever way, in English. I contend that it would raise the stakes even more if you were to provide your own translation, approved by whatever authority is an authority for you. I don’t want to get into bickering about whether or not I have provided a good translation acceptable to you. If you are just that brave, well then, we have much to discuss, and for this, I am grateful. So… would you like to resend your comments in a useful way? Include the following in a respectable translation (if the one provided earlier in the blog isn’t a sufficiently approved translation).
UPDATE after many hours of waiting for Mehmet to respond:
O.K., O.K., let’s help Mehmet, shall we, just with his first comment. He writes:
قُلْ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْتَرُونَ عَلَى اللّهِ الْكَذِبَ لاَ يُفْلِحُونَ
Now, that’s a particularly unhelpful comment. It’s a command, ripped from the Qur’an, to proclaim that “those who fabricate lies about Allah will never succeed.” I mean, I would agree if the statement read like this: “those who fabricate lies about God will never succeed.” But it doesn’t. اللّه is اللّه. However, having said that, I still agree with the original statement that “those who fabricate lies about Allah will never succeed,” not because I think Allah is God, but because I think it is useless to fabricate lies about what is written about Allah in the Qur’an. I’m all for telling the truth about what is said about Allah in the Quran. In fact, I’ve done quite a bit of that in Book 1 of the Trilogy. I invite Mehmet and his friends to read Book 1 of the Trilogy. Just hit the blog-header for the Table of Contents. If my statements seem strong, well, that’s because they are. That doesn’t mean that I am being disrespectful. It doesn’t mean that this is hate speech. It just means that this is my way to get people to understand what the situation really is. Citing this kind of thing from the Qur’an does nothing to deny that the interpretation of Sura 37:100-113 given in Book 1 of the Trilogy is wrong. Mehmet… Should I go on with the other citations?
HELP! THANKS!
UPDATE: Up to now, I didn’t have time to read over the multitudinous comments of Mehmet, but now I’ve quickly read over the arabic script bits. I haven’t yet compared them all to the Qur’an to find out what he’s up to. He’s being rather cryptic and threatening, changing words with a very determined purpose. Sometimes he uses words from the Qur’an. Sometimes he doesn’t. What he has done is to employ [ chop!... ] in one of his comments – in the Arabic script bit – [ chop! ] which were so out of place that I had to [ chop! ... ... ... ] except in one lengthy document buried impossibly deeply in the World Bank restricted and secured archives (thanks google!). The web address is legit. Transactions amount to the tens of millions of dollars for services rendered/being rendered for a particularly oppressive Southeast Asian country. There seems to be some disagreement about how those services may adversely affect local populations, as the comment of Mehmet threatens untold pain and suffering to those helping to set up those services. The targets are named and described. Mehmet has also offered some horrific transliteration. I haven’t had time to read or analyse such rubbish. Since I’m in travel mode, this may take much time. However, there may be some urgency to this. Any advice from readers who are competent to give advice? I’m just a simple priest trying to get people like Mehmet to read Book 1 of the Trilogy. My primary mandate is to hear the sacramental Confessions of Catholics, not to tackle international terrorist freak-shows, whose violence, nonetheless, may be all too real. I’m in WAY over my head with Mehmet. But I might have learned how to swim long ago! If you do have advice, and are competent to give advice, go ahead and edit the first of his comments on the WordPress Admin Edit COMMENTS page, leaving me a note there. You’ll know how to get there! Cheers!
UPDATE: Now, Mehmet… Should I tell everyone your full name, and how you’ve rewritten the Qur’an in many of your comments (not yet published here)? I thought showing disrespect to the Qur’an wasn’t something Muslims were in the habit of doing. But this is also the point, isn’t it?
UPDATE: The response so far to my challenge is only terroristic threats against targets having nothing to do with me. Right. More murdering of the innocent. That’s just proving the point of what I said. And so it continues. Is there no Muslim who is willing to have a good read of Book 1 of the Trilogy and respond to the question about child-sacrifice suicide bombing as related to Sura 37:100-113 of the Qur’an?
UPDATE: Mehmet — how to say it — is under investigation, not by me, but by those who are competent to do this. That goes for one or two others who previously left comments on the blog. I’ll be commenting on parts of his entries in the future.
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2008 April 7 at 8:50 pm
not all muslims are terrorist. there are bad and good muslims as well in other religions.I am not ashame to be a muslim because I am not a bad guy and so are the others who’s proud about their religion. to the one who wrote muslim-terrorist- sympathisers, we muslim don’t sympathising those killings of innocent people, don’t going around and looking for something to make muslims bad. we muslims are against terrorism and any religions that killing innocent people. there’s your feedback, thanx
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[[ "T", thank you for writing and expressing what I'm sure the very vast majority of Muslims feel when they read the kind of things that I am putting up on the blog. That is very useful. Very human. You are correct about individuals not always being representative to their religion. I am happy to hear that both you and the Muslims for whom you speak are against terrorism.
I knew that all along, that is, that most Muslims think like you. I've said this repeatedly both in the Trilogy and in the blog posts.
However! That is not the point. The point is that the religion itself, it's central bit about submission, is filled with horrific rationalization of violence. Sura 37 is a mandate for submission to Allah, and the highest honour of all that involves the child-sacrifice murder of others. In writing what you do, you are going against this central teaching of the Quran. You are the kind of Muslim described in Chapter 32 of the Trilogy, which delves into the real meaning of how the Catholic Church views most Muslims as opposed to Islam.
Again, I am left with a non-answer: either someone will be proud of the violence, or will reject it, personally anyway. Yet, no one will answer about sura 37:100-113. It is in the too hard category. But I've found a way around this. It is analysis. A comparison of what Jews, Catholics and Muslims think about the would-be child sacrifice of the Abraham's son. This is found in Book 1 of the Trilogy. Have a pleasant read, and check back when you are finished. Cheers!
-- Fr Renzo di Lorenzo ]]