In view of the Qur’an, sura 37:100-113, is Islam all about child-sacrifice in the sense of bribing Allah to be in Allah’s favour? REACTION 1
[[This exchange with Dubai Guy was brought about by the post entitled: "Another extremely violent Muhammad cartoon just published? I discuss it HERE!"]]
My friend, you quoted verses 100 - 113 of chapter 37 being as being the central revelation of Quran? Are you sure about what you are saying? The above mentioned verses decribe the story of Abraham passing the test of his Lord when he was commanded to slaughter his son Ismail. I don’t think this story is the central theme of Islam as a religion.
Instead, the main message of Islam is inviting people to worship only one God.
Say (O Muhammad): “He is Allah, (the) One.
“The Self-Sufficient Master.
“He begets not, nor was He begotten;
“And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.”
(Chapter 112, Verses 1-4)
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[[ My response: Thanks, friend. You come directly to the point, repeating what I said. In the very statement of pointing to Allah being (the) One, you reject this as the main message, saying that the main message is, instead, that of "inviting people to worship". But I think I know you what you mean. Never mind all that...
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Yet, just to say, you have some good instincts here, shying away from sura 37:100-113 and looking just to (the) One. This shows you are not a Muslim (not that anyone said you were), or that you are, perhaps, the kind of Muslim described by Nostra Aetate in the Second Vatican Council. The Trilogy offers some ferociously incisive commentary on mistranslations of that document. I invite you to read about this in the Trilogy, starting with the opening pages of the Trilogy and moving on. The premises with Judaism and Catholicism are important to what I say about Islam.
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Anyway, sura 37:100-113, describes the kind of worship that this Allah wants, which is very instructive about who this Allah is. The worship you indicate is very much the submission of Ibraim and Ismail in sura 37:100-113. In fact, this is the purpose of the prayer position: Ismail's head bowed in would-be child-sacrifice, that which Allah wants for no other reason than to have this for no reason, though this violence is a way of finding favour and reward. Why this is different from Genesis 22 and, then, Christ on the Cross is hashed out throughout the Trilogy, which needs to be read from beginning to end.
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I realise few comments on sura 37:100-113, and that my comments in the Trilogy are rather bold. I'm sure no one has ever said what I said. But, I'm looking for correction, academic correction, not otherwise! Help me out! So far, no one has seriously discussed what I've said in the Trilogy about sura 37:100-113. Elsewhere, you've said: "Yes I will criticize but not just for the sake of criticism unlike some UAE (UNITED ARAB EMIRATES) based english blogs. " Thanks. Cheers!
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-- Fr Renzo di Lorenzo ]]
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[[My response to Dubai Guy, as always, in brackets and in bold. This exchange with Dubai Guy was brought about by the post entitled: "Another extremely violent Muhammad cartoon just published? I discuss it HERE!"]]
“Yet, just to say, you have some good instincts here, shying away from sura 37:100-113 and looking just to (the) One. This shows you are not a Muslim (not that anyone said you were), or that you are, perhaps, the kind of Muslim described by Nostra Aetate in the Second Vatican Council.” [A quote from me.]
Now what is that supposed to mean? What makes you so sure about me being a non-muslim? Also would appreciate if you shed more light on Nostra Aetate
[I see from what you say below that you are very much a Muslim. Yet, each individual Muslim is quite different, as is everyone. With that in mind, Nostra Aetate in the Second Vatican Council had some incisive things to say, which have almost universally been misinterpreted due to bad translations of the Latin. Book 1 of the Trilogy hashes this out in the midst of an Inquisition type trial at the Vatican which threatens to have the hero burned at the stake. There's no use repeating all of it here since you are on the blog where Book 1 of the Trilogy is published!]
Now coming back to our story, what is your point my friend? The story of Abraham sacrificing his son has been repeated more than once in the Quran. And if I am not wrong, a similar story is found in Christianity & perhaps in Judaism too. [It would be kind to say that the Qur'an version makes a parady of the Judeo-Christian understanding of Genesis 22, for it rips that story out of context, turns it back to front, inside out and upside down. This is, again, hashed out throughout Book 1 of the Trilogy. ] Perhaps you should try this multi language multimedia Quran search engine which also has a Tafsir (Commentary) option in it. The site is:http://www.quran.nu/[I tried going there, but any site that demands that I have to turn off the protection on the computer is one site I don't need to see! Should you have a comment to report from it about any of this or otherwise, feel free. I'll put it up. Nice estrangelan script for the Syriac, by the way.]
Also, can you please describe what is the central theme of Trilogy? [Just click on the blog header above and scroll down to read all the opening pages! You are most welcome as a new reader of the Trilogy! The central theme: The murderous intrigue of interreligious politics, and so much, much more, with the purpose of helping to bring more peace because of Truth in Charity being told (even if rather boldly!). Happy reading! -- Fr Renzo di Lorenzo]
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